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Saturday, November 17, 2007

460 Billion Dollars, Mingo Jct, A Great Film and Angela Jolie's Lifespan

Congress gave its approval for an additional 460 billion to Bush's nice little war

and Hallliburton /KBR will only get richer despite its record breaking fraudulent contracts

and we in the Ohio Valley and in places like this across Ohio and the midwest, continue to

become Mingo Jct.

What is Mingo Jct? Its the town where the opening scenes of the Deer Hunter movie

was filmed and the infamous bar/pool table shooting scene was filmed w/ actors Robert Dinero

and Angelo Jolie's father among others.

Its also the ugly 'living' example, if living can describe a word about the dead, and how

southeastern Ohio and many small towns people, in a different but not too distant past,

paid a price during another bad western misguided war of adventurism in another era, about

what Vietnam did to many in such area, was a tragedy on the level that the Oscar winning film

captured on film as few others could before or since.

However, back to reality and back to the real town called Mingo Jct, in this era and what we

find now is this time such a similar serious national imperialistic war has basically ended this

town's existence as a once thriving, if not locally proud blue collar struggling economic

center of a border County mill town of over 75 yrs old, closely situated along the banks of the

Ohio river where every main street business and bar, save one or two are shuttered and/or

measured in the number of broken windows among its basic mainstreet buildings,

which help create the image of something out of a war torn shell of a former steel proud

downtown and local once vibrant area.

Not everything present has to do with the recent War in Iraq. The decline began decades ago.

But the sheer expenditures on the war in Iraq make literally no sense to the towns people and

families of those who have memories that date back to when Meryl Streep, Robert Dinero,

Christopher Walkin, Angela Jolie's dad and many others demonstrated their early Oscar level

acting talents on the big screen while staying at times among the homes of those families within

and often then were walking down the now defunct main street, of this same city just some

thirty years ago.

What happened here started long before Bush took the Whitehouse, but the last eight years

have decapitated or better stated, placed the coupd grace' on whatever hopes such small proud

mill towns across Ohio's eastern boarders like Mingo were clinging to for themselves. Long term

Republican rule inside our state only promoted serious declines for our region.

While Ohio's largest cities have held their own, mainly by infrastructure and local business

spending, many of Ohio's smaller cities have falled not only on hard times, but have actually

almost completely collapsed, literally failing to operate on any relevant social, economic

or cultural centers of a once proud modern american industrial history.

Taking a walk or simply driving through such cities, is an experience out of an almost surreal

landscape, especially if one has any personal ties or memories of this once extremely labor

intensive region.

Its not that people of the area still don't have a still strong work ethic and have by some

miracle managed to find a way to survive amazingly among the measureable decrease in their

respective towns and cities mainstreets, but its simply symbolic of an american era that has not

only all too quickly faded but somehow has completely been obliterated in less than a generation
since Angela Jolie has grown up to become a tabloid cover girl.

Its literally not only sad and tragic to see what has become of many of Ohio's smaller towns

and cities as functioning centers of once vital local economies but its beyond moral to speak in

the name of spending 450 billion dollars on the operational theatre of the Iraqi wars and having

to do "development initiatives" inside a sand driven culture and nation, but one which is so far

away from the Ohio River towns which now themselves not only need millions to just get

back to what they were before the recent steep decline inside Ohio in the past 10 years, but just

to begin to sense they are even part of any social or economic progress of a nation even capable

of expending this type of funding on a 'small war'...6,o00 miles away from Ohio.

The sheer stark differential in seeing one's own regional decline amidst a community which

gave so much to this country's industrial and infrastructural and even former world war

development by literally providing the very elements upon which that steel based growth

occured, is beyond one's own imagination. the scene reminds one of the ghost towns that littered
the west after the gold rush or after the railroads by passed a given community in the last

western frontier.

Its hard to believe this is east of Chicago by five hundred miles and yet it looks like some part

of southern montana or the dusk bowl of Oklahoma and Nebraska of almost acentury later.

What changed this landscape and what caused this delince? There is some local blame

undoubtedly for the same. However, much of the macro economics has to do with the national

industrial and economic policy of the United States itself.

Now, its sinister to suggest that these same remaining older generations have to live in and

amidst a dead and dying local culture and mainstreet which is literally boarded up like an old

crack house, across the entire small town and city mainstreets, and yet watch on our brand new

HD digital television cable news stations our present congress and president give hundreds of

billions of dollars to supposedly "save" a foreign nation or two for "democractic interests".

Even The Deer Hunter could not capture the emptiness of the meaning of such a misguided

war any better that to promise democracy in a culture which resisted the same for over a

thousand years. Not even Diniro driving deep into the nightlife to try to save a friend from the

culture of corruption in Saigon, could better display the true meaning of what war does to

individuals from small towns in the midwest than that of the stories coming out of Iraq today.

To say these present billions are "for our troops" is as about as cynical as it is immoral to

those small towns where most of these troops derive from across our country.

Its certinaly not being spent for the troops hometowns economies from where they mainly

derive. And if such soldiers today are lucky enough to come home without post trauma wound

or a real serious physical handicap, or in a body bag, like some modern day Diniro, to find

life changed, they will indeed, come home to the same dour, dying small towns with no real local

economy and which resemble in large measure, in certain respects, some of those war towns

and areas they have just fought within.

For those who merely were film auteurs in one's youth, inspired by a friend's obtaining an

extra part on the set of the Deer Hunter, today, hearing of these expenditures, its like living

within somekind of real life rod serling major production or sequence.

One can not imagine what a billion dollars is if one comes from this region of Ohio. Yet to

hear of 450 billion going to defense military contractors and then as one turns off the news and

drives ten mintues from the front porch of one's parent's home and takes a dark and foreboding

ride thru the same opening scene of the Deer Hunter's mainstreet of Mingo Jct, where one

cannot find a single operating business, for its entire length, save the last remaining tavern

or two, which stubbornly remains open at the still same operating but diminished yet surviving

steel mill gate , that was capured on film w/ Diniro forty years ago, such is a very surreal

experience for any sentient being.

It isn't that the people of Mingo and surrounding area are any less human, any less layered

than today, than those depicted in the Deer Hunter in the after math of yet another war brought
to us by Brown and Root from Texas. We however, thought that such major hollywood films

had in fact taught America and our present generation and its leaders that such western

adventurism had real serious consequences on real, geniune american lives from areas found

along the small towns of the midwest and our country.

This is a lesson that has been forgotten, if ever contemplated or even understood.

What is sad, its not just the people and the individuals that are still sacrificing themselves for a

misguided major national mistaken militaristic policy but its the fact that these among us, at the

congressional level can allow such a significant portion of our american fabric of small town

america to fall into outright decay and become engaged in their own homeland death cycle

fight, as is occuring within entire regions as they dissapate into abject poverty and social

decline, as if these parts of america matter less to them and were but pieces of a capitalistic

nightmare gone bad for these same proud regions, who have sacrificed their labors and poured

their sons and daughters blood in the name of american patriotism more than many other places
and yet today...are simply both forgotten and considered as expendible parts of the economic

"transformation" and inevitable "dislocation" of america's recent domestic and foreign policy

and its grostesque expenditures.

The symbolism of this stark reality is bigger than life and is something that needs to be made

visible and known to the nation if not the world

When a nation spends the kinds of billions on a foreign adventure and says its going to have to

spend billions more on development of those nations' it has destroyed with its misguigded

military adventurism, is it speaking rationally and reasonably when it does so, as if it show

casing something to the outside world that it itself has hidden to its own?

Is Mingo Jct and all the small towns of american who have experienced such serious delines in

recent era, been actually written off? The answer lies in the outward appearances of the cities

and towns and in the way the politicians both local, state and federal give lip service to the

notion that such areas are "ripe for a rebound" or "turnaround" but everyone knows they are

more likely ripe for their burial into the lost memory of a bygone era of a former recent but

lost american industrialism.

Its nothing short of an epoch historical change in the heartland. Yet, the billions spent in Iraq

are but a cold silent slap in the face and witness to the true immoral nature of yet another

seriously misguided expensive "little" modern American war. Its a shameful act of brazen

military spending when so many places in eastern Ohio are so desperately seeking merely to

find a way to literally survive as a corporate/social entity.

Nothing needs to be further stated about whether or not this war is to come to an end, when

one visits this entire region along Ohio's eastern border cities and towns.

If we spend billions to rebulild Iraq, as we seem to be committed to as the aggressor into that

nation's interior, then what is to come of Ohio's border's towns and cities?

What if any national committment to spend billions on rebuidling these areas of our own

nation is going to be committed to the families and individuals and towns and cities which have

simply given so much they are literally used up and worn down and completely ground down

into a fine dust, as if the mill itself, has now devoured even the life of the very cities they have

operated near to for four or five generations ?

It is almost beyond description to capture the ethos of hearing the nightly news reports of

how another 60 billion is going to be spent on this war, and yet to have lived long enought to

witness the serious decline of Ohio's infrastructure of many of its smaller towns, like those

along the eastern border from along Lake Erie itself, in the northeastern portion of Ohio like

Conneaut down thru Jefferson onto Warren, and Struthers on thru to Toronto, Steubenville

and Mingo Jct and Bellaire and beyond. Its a vast region

This governmental indifference breeds regional depression, citizen disdain and strong

antigovernmental sentiment, along with a geniune cynicism of America's present political

direction and even our institutions and our leader's continued vague promises.

One begins to also sense there is a serious irrational disconnect occuring inside our

congressional appropriations and the real world of real american individual and family life.

The same serious disconnect represents the precise size of the moral deficiency of the cost of

doing war as a major nation, against the interests of a small nation which otherwise had no

intention of attacking our country and no ability to do so.

Its simply not only irrational but is something that is completely devasting to any true

meaningful purpose and sense of even some geniune patriotric pride of doing what is right for

america as fellow americans.

If we allow such border cities and towns to literally fall into the river of our darkest dreams

and wasted expenditures of yet another new generation's gravely mistaken militarism, we will

not be having such a discussion in another twenty years. Instead, its far more likely whether

there will be even any such cities or towns that exist to save or to call home or perhaps, make

an award winning epic era/war film within.

To some, this is fine. To many its just another era passing and to many who never have seen

much less the contribution these areas have given to the nation, and to those who control the

purse strings of this war machine it matters very little.

But to those who as teenagers watched Meryl Streep and Robert Diniro do something on

film that we knew we were going to remember for the rest of our lives, and watched them doing

it from the very environment of an area like Mingo Jct, it won't be just these regions which

will have lost something immeasurable but our very American experience itself will be seriously

dinimished, if not irrationally disregarded and made poorer.

All of America will suffer if one region is allowed to sink into such oblivion. What will replace

it? More plastic and larger metro regions? Greater militiary power? Regional influence among

the Arab nations? Perhaps. A safer democracy? Perhaps not.

But at what true moral cost to the nation? At what significant price will the lives of such

communities be allowed to disappear, like those of the Indian nations which once proudly lived

in these same parts along the Ohio, like the tribes for which this very city was named?

While we spend the lifeblood of another generation in the sands of the mideast and the wealth

of our nation is wasted on the dessert sand towns and cities of a region, our forefathers never

dreamed that their sons and daughters hard earned savings and taxes were to pay for

such elite adventures into unimaginable lands requiring gross overwhelming amounts, to the

grave detriment of providing any possible hope for an economic miracle coming to these same

hard working and once proud regions who have provided the very lifeblood of a nation.

Our country is now is so eager to forget eastern Ohio completely from the Lake to the River

and the powerful military regional, economic and present political influences of this nation are

poised to discard this part of Ohio and the entire valleys that once made this nation so strong.

Nonetheless, before it completely dies off, they will be courting once again, very soon, like one

dates the corpse's bride, our regional swing votes and there will be those who are willing to sell

the vulnerable for a nice small but handsome, personal profit.

All the same may happen without a serious consequence. But a nation which forgets such a

culture and region as substantive and signficant as entire eastern half of Ohio and surrounding

valleys, this, so soon, even with completely arrogance and indifference, will be a society that

will itself, possess little if any actual soul.

Such a nation may not be fit actually to inhabit, whatever material successes if may later

acheive. Such a nation itself, may not long survive, if its 'expenditures' on such immoral wars,

becomes but a conduit for providing elites such disproportionate amounts of capital and

taxpayer dollars to the complete exlusion of doing anything remotely on scale to its own

challenged and even dying communities and towns....

Only the leadership in high places in Columbus and in Washington, and particuarly in

Congress from these regions can make any difference and make their region's people's voices

and serious dire straits, literally, heard.

Only the area itself, can perhaps make the case against further decline and exploitation.

The question is, are our present leaders capable of doing so even when they come to Ohio

to help determine their own political career's and our nation's destiny from our critical

bellweather state. Are we going to again sell ourselves cheaply like the girls do on

the dark abandoned sixth street of Steubenville?

Will we rise to the challenge and demand more of our leaders and our government than this?

This is the real issue and like the need for serious regional development and funding itself,

all remains as dark and dimly lit as a political possiblity as does mainstreet, tonight, in Mingo

Jct itself.

Perhaps, again, as did Streep, Diniro and Angela' dad, do we need again search for our friends

among the ruins of yet another american foreign policy disaster before, time runs completely out
on our better memories of a better time, among all of us, not just in our personal lives but in our

region and perhaps, even in our nation's life. Perhaps, we can by some miracle find the way

back to regional standing and solid ground and with it, lift this nation once again to a new and

different place past yet another serious national misadventure into a strange foreign land

where we do not belong and a president lied to get us to not only go there but to remain.

We need to stop the literally insane, over heated, no holds barred funding of this bizarre

military effort and start investing in boarder long suffering towns and communities which once

made this nation gain its true strength and character and broad standing in the world. We do

not need another president or state leader of any political party demanding our loyalty at the

ballot box and then promptly forgetting us when it comes to economic and social development.

The era of remaining silent but compliant ought to be over and must come to an end;

a new day of accountability even from among some of the poorest regions of our state, [as

poor as they never were ever before, even before Angela Jolie's dad was filming with his

fellow actor's epic period drama about Vietnam and our troubled modern perchant for

getting involved in foreign wars and regional disputes causing not only economic but terrific

human and personal losses as well] has arrived. It is time to watch the Deer Hunter again

and realize we are our neighbor's keeper and we are indeed, involved in a serious mistake

overseas again, as a nation thirty to forty years later and its unnecessarily causing this nation

and our state, if not our political leaders to bleed our small towns' lives and hopes to death,


We must end this war and we must put away the sword now and elect leaders who do not

espouse more billions in spending for any more regaional conflicts, except of course those for

which are occuring inside the heartland of America; where they all still continue to come and

seek, even in our hardest and most dark of times, our region's swing voter margins for their

personal political benefit.

Lets make it clear; our support means true assistance in return and not merely our suppliant

obedience to any one party line or political personality cult among the state or national

representatives or the leaders we decide to elect to high office today.

Its time to get over our fears of being rejected our region, because, in a word,

we have been already....just take a drive w/ me tonight to where the guys in the movie scene I

most recall, played pool and sang along w/Sinatra, at Welsch's, (now boarded up), near the south
gate, and see if you would not agree....there is no time to waste.

We must as citizen's protest this multi-billion dollar bleed. We must as persons who grew

up in this historic Valley and region, stand up.

If we do not speak or act up now, our children will not have any town or region left to

remember or for their generation to realize something of value was portrayed inside

such a region as ours once and it was truly uniquely American... as Diniro and all those

artist themselves, came to realize and understand personally over thirty years ago.

If we can not understand this, then our entire region is doomed to be as wasted as are the

billions being spent in Iraq today, by our present government in D.C. We must make a noise

even if its as we lay bleeding and dying from the wounds of our friends and some enemies

in high places.

Friday, August 24, 2007

More Grisly Details of The Fascist States of America: Verizon NSA and Your Privacy

Telecom Firms Helped With Government's Warrantless Wiretaps

By Ellen NakashimaWashington Post Staff WriterFriday, August 24, 2007; Page D03

The Bush administration acknowledged for the first time that telecommunications companies assisted the government's warrantless surveillance program and were being sued as a result, an admission some legal experts say could complicate the government's bid to halt numerous lawsuits challenging the program's legality.

"[U]nder the president's program, the terrorist surveillance program, the private sector had assisted us," Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell said in an interview with the El Paso Times published Wednesday.

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His statement could help plaintiffs in dozens of lawsuits against the telecom companies, which allege that the companies participated in a wiretapping program that violated Americans' privacy rights, former Justice Department officials said. Warrantless surveillance began shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and was placed under supervision of a special court in January.

An appeals court in San Francisco is weighing the government's argument that these cases should be thrown out on the grounds that the subject matter is a "state secret" and that its disclosure would jeopardize national security.

The government has repeatedly asserted that any relationship between the telecommunications firms and the National Security Agency's spy program is classified. The firms' alleged cooperation and other details of the program, government lawyers have argued, are so sensitive that they cannot be disclosed. The government has argued the lawsuits against the telecom firms must be dismissed.

"[D]isclosure of the information covered by this [state secrets] privilege assertion reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States," McConnell said in a sworn affidavit filed in a federal court in San Francisco in May.
David Kris, a former Justice Department official in Republican and Democratic administrations, said McConnell's admission makes it difficult to argue that the phone companies' cooperation with the government is a state secret. "It's going to be tough to continue to call it 'alleged' when he's just admitted it," Kris said.

Ross Feinstein, a spokesman for McConnell, declined to comment, as did spokesmen for AT&T and Verizon.

A challenge for the plaintiffs is to make a case using only public facts, said Kris, co-author of a new book, "National Security Investigations and Prosecutions." McConnell has just added to "the list of publicly available facts that are no longer state secrets," increasing the plaintiffs' chances that their cases can proceed, Kris said.

McConnell's statement "does serious damage to the government's state secrets claims that are at the heart of its defenses," said Greg Nojeim, senior counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology and an expert on state secrets privilege.

In his interview, McConnell also said that open discussion on matters such as these "means that some Americans are going to die."

But Bruce Fein, an associate deputy attorney general in the Reagan administration, said that McConnell's disclosure shows that "an important element of a program can be discussed publicly and openly without endangering the nation."

Fein noted that in the 1970s, President Richard Nixon argued national security would be harmed if the Church Committee permitted hearings on government surveillance of civilians. "These Cassandran cries that the earth is going to fall every time you have a discussion simply are not borne out by the facts," he said.

McConnell also said telecom firms should have immunity from lawsuits.

"If you play out the suits at the value they're claimed, it would bankrupt these companies," he said. The Bush administration has urged Congress to pass a law granting immunity to the telecom companies.

Wednesday, August 22, 2007

More Support for the Troops & 14 Dead

while the politicians demand support for the Iraq
many are dying....and from mysterious "helicopter accidents"

but the pentagon maintains its 'mechanical failure only"...

I guess this excuses the deaths and makes them "easier
to accept"...politically back home...

Maybe this is simply pentagon speak for why supporting our troops
deaths at any level is acceptable...

Can we as a nation, please top partying in this country for one weekend and simply
hold a vigil and demand this congress and this administration to
stop the RED RAIN...

...american soldiers
....falling from sky....

Sunday, August 19, 2007

Red Rain Falling; Boston Air Traffic Controller Blows the Whistle on 911

[Excerpts from the video:]
Question: Just tell us a little bit about your background.
Answer: My name is Robin Hordon. I am now a 58-year-old fellow and I kinda got into aviation before I graduated from [inaudible].
Q: So you worked from Boston Center.
A: ... I … came [to Boston Center] from my aviation career. That qualified me to be accepted into the FAA and then we just had to go through the rigorous training to either make it or break it.
And my destination indeed was the Boston Center. Not selected by me because I didn’t know it at that time but that’s kind of where I ended up. And that’s in Nashua, New Hampshire. I moved to Nashua, New Hampshire, with my young family after flying down at [Cape?] Island.
In any event, I ended up being engaged in the system itself. And I spent over three of my final eleven years engaged in procedures and other levels of management.
Q: So you have a good grasp of the whole air traffic control system.
A: Yes. I have a good grasp of the whole thing. ...
Q: OK.
A: And go ahead with your question.
Q: As far as September 11, how does this tie in to what happened that day and how our system reacted once we found out….
A: On September 11, I’m one of the few people who was in really for quite a few hours of the whole event taking place and just simply knew that it was an inside job.
And it wasn’t because of, you know, the visuals, the collapses, whatever, OK? I knew that it was an inside job I think within about four or five o’clock that afternoon and the reason I knew was because when those aircraft did collide and then we got the news information somewhere along the line and they could kind of roughly say where the aircraft went, I said, well, OK, wait a minute now, if they knew where the aircraft were and they were talking to them at a certain time, I said, then normal protocol is to get ... you know … fighter jet aircraft up to assist, OK? and I knew the edginess of the system at that time, who were always ready at that time, so I presumed that they were still fairly ready.
Q: Yes, right.
A: Uhmm, and …
Q: And you still know people that are working there, that have pretty much said the same thing, right?
A: Yes, I know people there who have confirmed to me that the FAA was not asleep, that the controllers and the controller desk was not asleep, they did their job, they followed their own protocols and actually, I think, created a few of their own for the emerging situation.
So the bottom line is that the only way that those, uhm, airliners could not have been intercepted is if there had been a major system failure, meaning electrical telecommunications, you know, a backhoe had just dug up all of the cables and nobody could talk to anybody, whatever, which is a huge coincidence if it would happen.
Q: But that didn’t actually happen. It was more mass confusion.
A: But that didn’t happen. There is no way.
So, as soon as I saw the information that the FAA or somebody had provided to the public, I said, well, that’s enough information for me to know that all of the systems in the centers were working well, and so I said, alright, so therefore, there is no way, OK? that American 11, 175, 93, and then 77, there is just no way they would have been able to be successful at their missions if there were any type of standard at all, if all of the equipment were available. It was just outside [inaudible].
Q: So obviously that day, there must have been things in place such as the war games and everything else that was on then.
A: Yah, I did not know at that time what was in place. What I did know was that it was abnormal. OK? And it took some time before we found some information. Actually it took a year or two before we found out about the key element in that entire day is that here had been some emergency handling, emergency aircraft handling protocol change, OK, that, that … I remember what emergency protocol was and I also remember what hijacking protocol was and they were two very different things.
And, uhm, so… these guys after the event have always been looking at hijacking protocols. My experience … I’ve had a save … and I’ve had other situations where I’ve handled hijackers go through my area and so I have handled both protocols personally.
And I knew that something was very wrong and that the first line of duty of an air traffic controller is to continually observe the well-being and positioning and success of all of the flights that are going through their sectors. That’s what we do. We do that a hundred percent of the time.
Q: And you’ve handled hijacked aircraft before, correct?
A: I’ve handled hijacked aircraft before. They were hijacked before they got to my sector. And I have handled emergency aircraft that we declared … we declared … as being emergency aircraft in my sector, OK? So I’ve handled the whole scope of events and I know what basically goes on.
And as far as American 11, what bothers me is that I know that the, uh, and I believe, that the controllers handling American 11 just knew something was seriously wrong as soon as it stopped responding and then, bang, it lost its primary target and then it’s on another routing.
You know, you absolutely know, OK, that there is significant and serious trouble going on in that flight right at that moment.
One of the things that most of the people don’t understand is what, how actually much air traffic controllers know.
You know, the aircraft is just way off course. It’s just not, it’s not rocket science. It’s unbelievably simple. You sit there and you see things go wrong. Then you start to take action.
And so the protocol on American 11 is it’s not a hijacker because that did not really occur as being a hijacker until somebody heard some possible voices or whatever. Well before that time, American 11 was really in significant trouble and the emergency aircraft protocol that air traffic controllers have, OK, calls for taking immediate action to deal with the situation and what you do is you don’t wait for the judge, jury and executioner to prove it’s emergency.
Q: Right.
A: If things start to go wrong you have the authority to simply say, OK, I am going to treat this craft as though it is an emergency because if everybody is wrong, fifteen minutes later, no big thing.
Q: Yah, and that’s the same way anywhere in aviation. That’s the same thing with pilots as well. Yah.
A: Absolutely. I know. Of course.
Q: Now once they have realized that American 11 was a hijack, what happens then?
A: I think there’s another set of protocols that go on. But before that, I don’t want to talk about when they discover or decide or somebody decides that it’s a hijack because, number one, you want to tell me exactly what it is, the evidence you will need that will prove that it’s a hijack? The only way that you can get absolute proof that it’s a hijack is for the captain of the airplane or some replacement to say that this aircraft is hijacked.
Q: Right.
A: Short of that what you do is that you just collect some evidence. That’s irrelevant.
The FAA, NORAD, the government, OK, what I call the high perps, the people who were, who perpetrated this whole thing at high levels, the high perps, what they want us to focus on is the hijack issue.
Q: Right.
A: That’s not what I focus on.
The air traffic controller is responding to the emergency condition of that aircraft well before he even thinks of it as being a hijack because they deal with aircraft in emergencies like this, not all the time, but often enough to understand that there needs to be another protocol. And then you boom, boom, boom, you try to get contact, you try the company, you try other aircraft in the area, you check stuff out.
And as the testimony in front of the 9/11 Commission admits, OK, NORAD admits that they saw when American 11 lost its transponder. Now they don’t jump out and do what they are protocoled to do.
My position is that this controller at the center followed the emergency aircraft protocol and started to reach out beforehand. And those are the communications in the tapes that have not been made available.
The only focus has been on the hijack protocol that is written down and the hijack protocol is something that takes place, uhm, after somewhere along the line, it might even be like over the North Atlantic that some trans-Atlantic flight has been hijacked and all of a sudden we get the information. And that protocol is put into place. So it’s a more, you know, it’s a different protocol after an emergency.
What the American … what the controller was seeing at Boston Center was … had very little to do with a hijack at that point, but it had everything to do with a jet airliner in significant electronic trouble. And when a jet airliner, a modern jet airliner, is in electronic trouble and it’s steering all over the sky and no responses, you assume a massive electrical failure and you assume that the aircraft is having difficulty controlling itself.
Q: But once they have pretty much determined that it’s been a hijack, what’s the protocol at that point?
A: The protocol at that time, uhm, has the … to make sure that the military, the military are involved first. Let’s just call the military either “Rummy’s military” or “the Pentagon.” What that means is that the Pentagon is alerted and they say, OK, uhm, we acknowledge that. It’s been confirmed as a hijacker. We want to monitor and follow that thing. And what we will do is, we will, if necessary, put up a fighter on its tail.
Q: When the hijack protocol is put into motion, basically what happens then as far as all the other systems … all the other centers in the system?
A: As soon as notification is given, as soon as this is discovered to be or decided to be that it was a hijacker, OK, what happens now in the protocol is that all sorts of people are informed about the situation – just say, Rummy’s military, OK, and civilian FAA, and it goes right down to Herndon [the FAA’s air traffic control command center]. And then the information is spread really all over the system.
Q: So the whole system is notified?
A: The whole system. And this has been admitted to … the fact … I mean, Cleveland knew, Indianapolis knew, New York knew. Everybody knew as soon as American 11 was declared a hijack. That’s what we knew. [Inaudible.]
Q: And then after, after 175 hit, of course the whole world knew that the United States was under attack and, by that time of course, all the centers would definitely know that….
A: My position is that as soon as … that, that the controllers at the New York Center who were controlling American 175, OK, indeed were already informed through the system, OK, that the hijackings had been recorded and that the system needs to be put on alert.
Now I want to remind people that there hadn’t been an active hijacking in what? a decade or something like that. So lemme just tell ya, even if they had walkie-talkies in the men’s rooms, OK, of all the air-traffic facilities across this country, if this unusual and highly-volatile event had occurred, there were enough experienced controllers to just spread this word like you couldn’t believe.
Q: Right.
A: This was information that’s like unbelievable, did you hear this? And bang, it’s across the system and it was formally across the system…
Q: Right.
A: … and it was acknowledged by the terrible tapes … the insufficient tapes and testimony that was presented to the 9/11 Commission … that indeed the system was alerted so everybody knew.
Q: Everybody knew.
A: Everybody in the system knew.
The problem was because of the hijacking protocol that was now into place ... and this is what happens … you get these hijackers, you get these circumstances that you’re not particularly familiar with, you break out your books. When you break out your books…
Q: Right. You follow the book.
A: … you start to reading and check, check, check.
And then all of a sudden….
And what that means is that the system now had to make some phone calls into … let’s call it … Rummy’s Pentagon. And Rummy’s Pentagon is the one that would then make the decision.
Well, Rummy’s Pentagon on American 11 didn’t answer the phone. Neither 175: didn’t answer the phone. I maintain they didn’t answer the phone until they absolutely were embarrassed into answering the phone somewhere along the flight of United 93 and American 77. Our first formal contact was at this particular time.
That is all distractionary. That is all designed to keep people off the focus. The real focus is what the air traffic controller did immediately upon seeing that American 11 was in trouble. And what we do as air traffic controllers is we get eyes and ears on this flight. We reach out and we hit the buttons, the communications buttons, between NORAD, which I will call ADC, Air Defence Command, OK, and we start to point out the targets and we say, what do you see? They admitted that they saw American 11 lose its transponder. They knew it. They saw it. That’s what they do. They monitor.
So my feeling is this. If the air traffic controller was going by emergency procedures, which he is trained to do, he would have reached out directly, OK, to ADC [Air Defence Command] and somebody and say, what do you see? I got a high-speed target, he says. It’s last reported at this altitude. It’s northwest, he’s x number of miles northeast of Albany, north of Keene, whatever it might be, heading … in this direction.
Q: Southwest of Dulles.
A: OK? And what do you see out there? So he would have reached out to ADC to get them involved right away.
Q: And what is ADC?
A: Air Defence Command. When I say ADC, I’m talking about the actual controllers who are sitting at the scopes in what is commonly known as NEADS [North Eastern Air Defence System] right now or the general NORAD system.
Q: Military [inaudible] defence.
A: These are the controllers. Let’s call them sector controllers, the same way that the guy working American 11 was called the sector controller.
Because when you push a button from your sector and you connect to Air Defence Command, you’re connecting to the controller within, or the observer within, NORAD who has jurisdiction on that air space. You push the button -- you are not talking to Denver [NORAD HQ]. You’re talking to the guy who is responsible for x number of square miles up in the northeast quadrant of the United States of America.
Q: What’s the [inaudible: “disinfo?”] of American 11 and the lack of response based on what we knew at that time, at 5 minutes, 8 minutes after the hour of 9:00 that morning, uhm, after American 11 and 175 has [sic] already hit the North and the South Tower and American 77 is still a half an hour away from Washington, D.C., and supposedly hijacked. Uhm, Indianapolis Center is trying to contact them. They contact Langley at 9:08 and let them know that American 77 is missing at that time. Now Indianapolis Center at that time should have already been notified of American 11 and United 175, is that correct?
A: As soon as American 11 was considered to be hijacked, the entire FAA system from coast to coast, all facilities, OK, ah, enroute centers, OK, approach tracons, and towers were all, would be normally all informed. Everybody, the flight service stations, would receive a general notice. Everybody gets information on what would be considered … what used to be considered a teletype but now is probably just e-mail type messages or whatever it might be.
Q: So by the time American 77 had turned off their transponder and…
A: This is so way after the fact.
Q: Yah.
A: So way after the fact.
Let me just break that down about this information. Once the Boston Center plugged into the National down at Herndon and they got the information out, Herndon is immediately going to generate a message to all facilities coast to coast.
Now in all facilities coast to coast, especially in the major facilities, there are people who are sitting there, right there, it is their job to keep track of the national airspace system is what’s going on.
So when this hot potato comes across their teletype or comes onto their e-mail message, OK, they have protocols, they have procedures. They are to take that information and immediately dispense it to the supervisors covering all of the sectors and all of the airspace in there.
Then when these on-floor, these, you know, let’s call them on-duty or active supervisors who are right beside the controllers themselves, they’re mixed right in, we see that on TV, we see that all over the place, uhm, they go right to their sectors, they go right to the controllers right at the sectors, and they say, OK, here’s a national update, uh, we just got information that a hijacking has occurred up at Boston Center. And, uhm, OK, so just give me any information that you get if you see anything unusual.
I’m going to tell you. If any …
Q: So when Indianapolis Center…
A: Wait a minute. Lemme ….
Q: … saw that there was something unsual of American 77 turning around, that should automatically raise some red flags.
A: They already knew. Lemme explain it. They already understood after American 11.
Q: OK.
A: Let’s say that at arbitrarily 8:30, let’s just make it arbitrary and say 8:30, somebody there said, OK, this is a hijacking, at that point that other hijacking protocol kicks into place. That calls for the national FAA system to be notified. Now let’s say it’s 8:34, maybe 8:35. I’m going to tell you straight out. Every air traffic controller and flight service station position in this country was probably notified by their supervisor. They don’t mess around. They get that information out to them.
So let’s say it’s now 8:35. The entire system is notified that, OK, to be on alert for hijacked aircraft, aircraft acting strangely. OK? That means from what I understand about the timing, that as soon as United 175 started to do its dippity-do in the sky that the air traffic controller sitting there already would have been briefed as would his area supervisor.
And indeed that is in fact testified to. Because as soon as United 175 started to do a major course change and couldn’t be raised, bang, OK? the guy said, I think I’ve got a hijacking here too.
The only way that he could have come to that conclusion, Rob, was that he was pre-informed to look out for suspicious-behaving aircraft.
Q: Right, now you wanted to make some other points?
A: Yah, one of the points I wanted to talk about is one of the things that came through in the Vanity Fair issue, which is that NORAD can’t do anything, ADC can’t do anything, unless they get latitudes or coordinates, OK, of the particular aircraft, and insinuating that the aircraft involved, all but American 77, were not radar-identified all the way through their flight.
Well, it’s very clear now through testimony and documents given to us by the federal government, that indeed … and testimony in front of [the] 9/11 [Commission] that was kind of a little slipped into there that nobody picked up … that the Boston Center actually tracked American 11 as a primary target after it lost its radar, after it lost its transponder, all the way to World Trade Center. It tracked it.
Further information later indicates that the ADC radars or NORAD radars had it tracked, OK, because they could tell some possible altitudes about it. Uhm, so American 11 was tracked all the way.
NORAD admits, OK, that United 175 never really turned off its beacon, its transponder.
Q: Right. And that’s when that occurs, right?
A: OK? They may have switched codes or whatever. But the bottom line is that that aircraft never lost real tracking. 93 is basically the same. And the only one we really lost was American 77.
And people will come eventually in this project to understand, or into [sic] this movement, to understand, that, when American 77, being the only aircraft that actually lost target, we lost its radar return, primary and secondary, in the mountains of, I think, West Virginia, that type of area, OK, it’s going to really play a big role.
The bottom line of the story is all of those aircraft were always tracked all the time by the Boston [sic] … by the FAA air traffic control centers and my position is, if we really got the tapes from all of the sectors, we would find that the sector controllers would have reached out to the military, the Air Defence Command guys, and started doing the point-outs.
The reason we’re not getting that information and the reason that it’s locked down is because that puts the finger and responsibility right onto Rummy’s military because I maintain they knew where all of these aircraft were all of the time with the one exception that, ah, once American 11’s radar … excuse me, 77’s radar, was lost west of West Virginia, out in Indianapolis Center some place, that, uhm, that the radar targets that emerged west of Dulles was [sic] never positively identified by anybody anywhere at any time, as actually being American Airlines, Flight 77. It was only identified as ….
Q: It was simply identified as the target that hit the Pentagon.
A: That’s correct, OK. But every other target was fundamentally tracked right into where it crashed. So when NORAD or anybody else says, well, we couldn’t find them in this maze of whatever, excuse me, the bottom line is you had some FAA personnel who tracked the aircraft who were on the line, pointing these aircraft out to you in reference to known geographical positions.
Ah, that’s why we don’t have the tapes. That’s why we don’t have some of the flight data recorders that many people said have been found. This is why we don’t have the evidence that was carted away and trucked away from the bottom of the World Trade Center building collapse. It’s evidence. It’s gone. They needed to get rid of all that evidence because if they had a chance to evaluate it properly, then it would be very clear who’s behind this whole thing.
Additionally this is why the, uhm, the civilian air traffic control personnel have been muted. Their voices have been completely shut down by the government.
Rummy always had the ability to shut down any military person involved in it with NEADS, with NORAD, with any of the other air defence command situations, because they’re military people and they have to follow orders.
And any tapes, any recordings, any information that we get from them could be simply identified as being, you know, it’s just “Top Secret” type stuff, it’s classified, OK? Now, the FAA tapes and whatever it might be isn’t classified, but I believe that that’s why the … somebody told me that the FBI absconded with them … but, one way or another, only certain portions of the tapes throughout the entire events of those days, from all the FAA facilities, only portions have been given. Not all controllers, all supervisors, all pilot communications, all intersector communications, and all interfacility communications have been allowed to be studied and analyzed. They’re holding them because they tell the true story.
Instead what they did is they cherry-picked transmissions, communications and statements made all along these four flights that were able to paint and write a story that the public would look at and say, ooh wow, this really happened. Blah blah blah.
But it wasn’t factual. It was a story. And it did not tell anything other than what, OK, the high perps wanted the public to hear. They cherry-picked this information.
And really if there is another research into 9/11 and it’s a really honest one, we need all the tapes and we need to be able to get testimony from all of the air traffic control staff, including the wide number of observers that were around at Boston Centre, New York Center, Cleveland Center, and Indianapolis Center.
There’s always different people around [inaudible], doing this, doing that. When these events occur, people are there. We need to have their testimony, free and clear. Right now it’s all been shut down.
So the radar was good almost all the way with the exception of American 77 and all of the voices, testimony, tapes, and whatever, have not been made available. ...
Q: That was excellent. Thank you.
(Former Boston FAA air traffic controller Robin Hordon.)
Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Aviation Reality on 9/11., downloaded 28 July 2007.